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Joe The Plumber Gets Flushed To Nottingham (Updated)

Why should Joe the plumber be penalized for success and the American dream? Joe works hard, earns a good living and has aspirations of owning his own business.
Starting out small Joe's business grows to the point that he needs to hire 5 more plumbers, a bookkeeper and a secretary. Each plumber earns a salary of $40,000 dollars per year. The bookkeeper earns a salary of $18,000 dollars a year and the secretary earns $16,000 dollars a year. Joe draws a salary of $25,000 dollars a year. Joe also needs to pay $1,500 dollars per year for property and liability and $1,000 dollars per year for workers compensation, $2,400 dollars product liability insurance along with supplying group medical insurance to his employees and their families at a cost of $280 per month for singles and about $750 dollars per month for family coverage ($6,180 dollars per year average). Joe must lease 5 vans for his plumbers at $36,000 a year and pay for maintenance and fuel at $5,600 per year. Joe will have to keep an inventory of parts and supplies at a cost of $30,000 dollars. Joe's approximate payout per year is $340,000 dollars. Assuming Joe makes a profit of $260,000 dollars per year (exceeding the $250,000 dollar mark) his business will be taxed higher. Currently Joe pays a tax of $39,000 dollars but under Obama's plan he will pay $72,800 dollars, a little less than double. The $33,800 dollars extra will be redistributed over to Bob who earns a salary of $15,000 dollars per year from his job as a clerk at Walmart.
Bob may have inspirations of becoming a supervisor or manager someday but why would he take on additional responsibilities when he can reap the benefits from other successful business people. On the other hand, Joe's business future is looking grim with a poor economy, inflation and an additional tax burden of $33,800 dollars. Joe must lay off one plumber to maintain his current standard of living.
Small business can be described as anything from a hot dog vendor to a 50 employee manufacturer. Obviously a hot dog vendor will never make $250,000 but chances are that the 50 employee company will. The latter is what drives the American workforce. Taxing small business for the purpose of redistribution to the poor makes little sense especially during a recession. It impedes progress, prevents new jobs and provides little incentive as in a socialistic society. Robin Hood is a fictional character and to believe otherwise would be illusions of grandeur.
Obama on Capital Gains...
There's nothing the least bit unusual in a Democrat calling for higher taxes; it'd be newsworthy if a Democrat called for citizens to be allowed to keep more of their own money. Capital gains taxes are always a favorite target: as their name implies, they are on increases of capital, which is considered to be owned by rich people. What do Democrats stand for, if not "soak the rich" or "tax big corporations"?
No, the surprising thing isn't the tax increase itself, but the reason Sen. Obama gave why he wants to increase it. ABC's Charlie Gibson addressed this issue at the Democratic debate in Philadelphia. Here's the transcript:
MR. GIBSON: You have however said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, "I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton, which was 28 percent."It's now 15 percent. That's almost a doubling if you went to 28 percent. But actually Bill Clinton in 1997 signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.
SENATOR OBAMA: Right.
MR. GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
SENATOR OBAMA: Right.
So far, so ordinary. Barack Obama wants to double the capital gains tax, placing it 50% higher than the legislation Bill Clinton signed to lower it. Obama has always set himself to the left of the Clintons and particularly much farther left than Slick Willie himself. The truly astounding part comes next:
MR. GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased. The government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down. So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
SENATOR OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness. We saw an article today which showed that the top 50 hedge fund managers made $29 billion last year -- $29 billion for 50 individuals. And part of what has happened is that those who are able to work the stock market and amass huge fortunes on capital gains are paying a lower tax rate than their secretaries. That's not fair...
MR. GIBSON: But history shows that when you drop the capital gains tax, the revenues go up.
SENATOR OBAMA: Well, that might happen or it might not. [emphasis added]
Here we see the difference between someone who is ignorant and someone who is insane. Normal Democrats want to raise taxes so they can get more money to spend on their beloved social programs. Raising taxes very seldom gives the government any more money; as economist Arthur Laffer conclusively proved decades ago, once taxes reach a certain point, increasing them causes the actual dollar amounts collected to go down. This is called the Laffer Curve. There are many reasons this takes place: if tax rates are too high, people will decide not to work harder because they keep so little of the extra they earn, or they will move their investments into tax shelters such as municipal bonds instead of more productive corporate stocks. This is especially true of taxes on capital: it's kind of hard to get around paying higher income taxes if you are an ordinary wage slave, but capitalists can trivially move their capital offshore, into shelters, or anywhere else to avoid excess taxes.
Both Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush used this insight to good effect, lowering tax rates (over vehement Democratic opposition) but reaping increased revenues as the economy boomed. Congressional Democrats have long refused to acknowledge the truth of the Laffer Curve; they continue to claim, in spite of all the evidence, that the way to get more money for the government is to continually raise taxes. They are being straightforward - fundamentally wrong, but honest about their intentions at least.
Barack Obama is a completely different bird. Let's read his statement again: "Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness".
Unlike his fellow Democrats, he apparently understands the Laffer Curve. He knows that raising the capital gains tax rates will not give the government any more actual cash; quite the opposite, such a move will cost the government money. But he doesn't care. In effect, he wants to spend government money (through lower tax revenues) for the express purpose of making rich people poorer, on account of fairness. He wants to destroy wealth. Not redistribute wealth; not take from the rich and give to the poor; just simply to make wealth vanish. "I can't have it; I don't want you to have it; so I'll make sure you can't keep it, even though taking it from you doesn't benefit me a bit."
What sort of person sets out to intentionally destroy wealth for no other reason or benefit than the vague perception of "fairness"? We can't all be rich, so we'll just make the rich poor like us? Not since Karl Marx have we heard such naked jealousy.
The boom-times of the 80s and 90s proved Reagan's saying, "A rising tide lifts all boats." Barack Obama doesn't like seeing the rich men's yachts floating high and mighty; he wants to pull the plug just to see the yachts run aground. The fact that all the rowboats and ducky-floats of the poor will run aground just as badly bothers him not in the least: we'll all be on the rocks together. He's finally found a change we can all believe in: equality in poverty.
The capital-gains tax does not apply just to the wealthy. It applies to anyone that buys something, and sells it later for a higher price. Such as, say, anyone with a house? Right now, many Americans are suffering with falling home values; in theory, we want prices to rise instead. And when they do, Sen. Obama will be right there with his hand out to confiscate an even bigger portion of the gain than previously. Need we mention that capital gains calculations have never been indexed for inflation and that the prices of everything are going up just at the moment? So what will happen is that people will wind up paying cash for taxes on gains that, thanks to inflation, don't even exist. But that doesn't bother Barack Obama; it's all about fairness, not reality, sanity, or paying the government's bills.
Let's have Bill Clinton back. At least he knew how to count.
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14 comments
(reposted from "Be carefull what your say, God may be watching)
I have wondered numerous times what kind of ignorance it would take to vote for Obama. The posts on your website confirm some of my worst fears. Why don't all the socialists move to a socialist nation? This is the United States of America. We are a democratic republic. Why would Joe bust his hump expanding his business, giving up time with his family, his blood sweat and tears, so that he has to buy you a latte? If he wants to buy you one out of the goodness of his heart, that's great, but for the government to hold a gun to his head and force him to is pure socialism. What all you liberals forget is that the government's function is to protect our rights...not to play Robin Hood, not to take on your personal responsibility of providing you with a job, health care, and whatever else you whine about. If you think Obama can spend your money better than you can, give it all to him...you'll probably end up down the same road as some of his biggest contributors, Fannie and Freddie.
(reposted from "Be carefull what your say, God may be watching)
If Joe's profit is 278K a year, his monthly net income is almost 17K and the tax he would have to pay more a year with Obama's plan is short of $800 -- or $2.30/day which is about the cost of a latte. I think Joe can afford sharing a latte with a friend or customer if he is making this kind of money!
If Joe invests 10K a month of his net of 17K, he can retire at age 45 with 2 million in the bank -- or wait until he is 65 with 12 million in the bank.
I would say, with or without the $800/year in increased taxes, Joe is the American Dream.
What I have heard is that Joe's potential business is making more like 130K a year in revenue--not net profit and I assume he has expenses. In any event--Joe the Plumber will get to keep more with senator Obama's tax cuts than he would under McCain.
Even if his revenue was 278K, this would be true, because of other tax cuts and the deductions he can make.
Joe is misinformed and we are being mislead, and the lack of critical journalism is sad.
Here is a link you might find helpful:
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p334/ch08.html#d0e5836
Another interesting article:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/16/EDQC13J7LG.DTL
Obama will increase the tax on NET revenues over $250,000 (taxes are never charged on expenses, only profits). The first $250,000 are taxed at the LOWER rate. And the $10,000 (above the 250k) is taxed at 3% more which is about $300/year. If the company is paying staff health insurance, they will have a 50% tax credit which will save them thousands! and there is NO (again NO) capital gains tax for small firms.
So even though one part of the tax is slightly higher, other parts are smaller, so ultimately the result is lower taxes.
You can read these very clearly stated plans on the Obama site.
McCain believes as the republican party does that helping companies helps the individuals. I don't believe that is the case. When people have more money to spend, they help the companies. Trickle down doesn't work.
Vote OBAMA
I was undecided until the last debate when it seems all McCain did was throw mud. Now I see it's the general approach of many McCain supporters.
McCain's plans for Health insurance are just like what happened to pensions. They're GONE leaving american's to save for their own retirement, which is NOT happening. So McCain wants everyone to pay their own Health Insurance out of pocket... and TAX health benefits... now THAT's RAISING TAXES !!! .. anything for the company... nothing for the people..
... oh, do we now call McCain a socialist?
In Wednesdays debate McCain mentioned the now famous "Joe" the Plumber
See Barack Obama walked down this guys street last week going door to door with his media pals in tow, and Joe Whats-his-face dared to question the Barack of Obama about his tax policy.
In this conversation the Barack of Obama spilled the beans that his policy if elected will be one of income redistribution. (spread the wealth around)
John McCain being the candidate daring to run against the Barack of Obama, jumped on the maya-culpa and used Joe the Plumber as his standard citizen in the debate
So now the MSM (Barrack's lap/attack dogs) have decided to vet Joe the Plumber, it turns out he owes taxes, he is a Republican, and he doesn't have licence to practice plumbetry (doesn't need one, but who care , lets destroy him anyway)
how dare Joe Whats-his-face dare to support McCain when according to Baracks tax plan, he wont be taxed ( if you believe that narrative, your in Obama's tank just like the media)
see what the Joe the Plumber episode has showed us all, again, for like the 10th time in this campaign, is that the media is so far up Obama's butt they can kiss his prostate
while Joe the Plumber's house is as under siege as Casey Anthony's is ( mom who's 2 yrs daughter is missing)
the likes of Ayers home or past for the most part goes ignored: unless the media is complaining how negative the meanie McCain is being.
to put the frosting on this cake, the echo-chamber that is the MSM is congratulatingly slapping themselves on the back for killing Joe the Plumber (they think) and vetting him when McCain was to unprofessional too ??
The Obama Biden campaign has also piled on with questions of Joe's credibility, a sure fire way to win votes in OH and PA if i ever heard one ??
are these guys really that stupid ,....................again, yes they are !!
while Joe the Plumber and Bristol Palin get rectal exams by the MSM , the Barack of Obama for the most part gets a pass !!
on that note: do you guys remember the hand ringing 3 months ago by the NY Times and the MSM in regards to the unfair out of bounds upcoming attacks sure to come against Michelle Obama ???
as of today, we have seen zero from the RNC or McCain, and hardly any right wing media scrutiny of Michelle (cuz who wants to be a called racist anyway)
in their hypocrisy, the NY Times has decided to sucker-punch Cindy McCain with an attack piece in today's paper that the National Enquire would be proud of !!..............how ironic.
........................sssshhhhh !!! dont tell the party planners (MSM), but the polls are closing daily !!!
But here's the real sticky point. Normally, when one is taxed at a higher bracket, the additional is taxed higher but the exemption is still applied for the first 250K. This should be explained by Obama. Say for instance someone makes 350K. Is the first 250K taxed at the lower rate with the additional 100K factored in at the higher rate? Another thing to remember is that taxes are paid on gross less expenses and deductions. From this hypothetical, if Joe deducts his employee's wages, and insurance, etc--he would be in the hole. Something tells me that Joe would not be hiring 5 new plumbers--it would have to stay a 2 man operation--and if Joe does not bother getting an apprenticeship or plumbing license--neither of those 2 men would be him
Get with it people, all this crap started with that jerk Reagan and lasted through the criminal Bush administration. And don't vote Republican because of the right to life issue, you religious nut heads!
And who can forget the "trickle down" effect of VOODOO Economics. Get real people, the republicans have ruined this country starting with Reagan.
Did anyone forget all the lieing that the Bush administration did concerning the war, Haliburton, 911???
What we need is a socialised health care system and a nationalisation of the banks.
BEFORE YOU START PICKING ON THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, LOOK AT WHAT YOUR PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS DID!!!!!